Pulled the trigger today

shodown wrote:posted 2008, so roughly 3 years ago? again, just thought I would throw out what I am seeing everyone use in the forums i frequent these days. Not saying either one is right or wrong.

and if you want what some consider true wideband, aka both banks try FAST, very big and uncool looking to mount, but seems to be one of the most "accurate".... again, where I am reading

http://www.rpmoutlet.com/mt.htm

Not much has changed in those 3 years chris.

You posted a sales link....to marketing information pushing to sell a product.

And that fast gauge you posted is using a BOSCH sensor...which is still the same crappy sensor that it was 3 years ago.

Again I trust tuners that do this for a living rather than sales ads that promise this or that

Have a chat with Kurtis next time your out at Archangel Motorsports.....he will tell you the same thing.

shodown wrote:Im just giving you a hard time Jarrod

I know






.....I know where you live

Do you peep in his windows too?

My blinds are shut.....

So not to totally derail, but since OEM and most aftermarket use Bosch, which is a pretty big brand.... who do these tuners use for an O2 sensor? I mean you act like bosch = fram

and sorry for posting a sales link, i mean would it have been better to link to lethal or vmp or something???? im being serious, i read where tuners and some of the fastest lightnings had the FAST unit and said it was the best cause it ran dual setup not a single setup.... never have seen them quote bosch sucking. it was the first link i saw

Most tuners that are serious about accuracy are using the AFM-1000 System...its EXPENSIVE....was $3000 at one point, but can be had for around $1500 now.

Its the closest thing to lab quality.

Kenne Bell has authorized installers all over the country...including Archangel Motorsports, BUT none are aloud to TUNE anything with the Kenne Bell. If you have a suspicion that the Kenne Bell tune is Off in anyway, they will ask for a datalog/dyno run with A/F. If you dont have at least an AFM-1000 then Kenne bell wont even talk to you. (Archangel is the only one I know of local that has one....he spent a pretty penny getting it and swears by it.)

If you suspect KBs tune is off, they will tell you to get better equipment as their tune is accurate unless you use an AFM-1000. Some are tunning around the country with tailpipe sniffers still.....I would run away from these tuners. (Again just my opinion)

Those that use an in the pipe bunged wideband sensor....Id stick with the tuner with an AFM-1000.

For an in car setup....I would only trust an AFX with NTK syensor since is basically an AFM 1600...which isnt as acurrate as stated above as the AFM 1000 but its the closest your going to get in the consumer in car market.

Look bottom line is that I am giving my information that I have read and discussed with tuners......buy what you want. If you like the innovative...get it...if you like the Fast...get it ....if you like Bosch sensors because you havent heard anything negative...go for it.

Im not stopping you.

I finally see you are saying NTK(NGK basically) is what you think is a better o2 vs bosch...

I read through a few things, again seems like its another one of the age old oil debates! or which helmet is best, hehe

Im done with this, I dont even care anymore.... poor mike, sorry for rambling on in your thread,,,,, Congrats again man!

Owners of cars and trucks running around with "wideband gauges" in their car with pretty lights and inaccurate A/F readings are not the authority on what is accurate.

When the most respected tuners around the country give their opinion.... I LISTEN.

Here is a short list of those that can dispute Kenne bells tune due to their equipment (AFM 1000)

HP by Hermann Ph#(813) 241-2783 (Tampa, Florida)
Johnny Lightning Performance Ph#(717) 786-4670 (New Providence, Pennsylvania)
Swanson Automotive Ph#(310) 787-7800 (Torrance, California)
Westech Ph#(951) 685-4767 (Alta Loma, California)
Innovative Tuning Performance Ph#(302) 312-1767 (Elkton, Maryland)
Modular Powerhouse Ph#(770)591-0000 (Marietta, Georgia)
Arch Angel Motorsports Ph#(918)396-4802 (Skiatook, Oklahoma)
Evolution Performance Ph#(610)485-3596 (Aston, Pennsylvania)
S.T. Motorsports Ph#(909)388-2536 (San Bernardino, California)
Brooks Speed Ph#(407)416-3816 (Tifton, Georgia)

Here is Kenne Bells Dyno testing variables

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/DynoTestVariables.pdf


Direct from Kenne Bell....interesting to read the customer responses at the bottom and what else is funny is their use of the FAST Wideband tuner hehe

"SCANNERS / AF RATIO
How anyone can attempt to diagnose or tune today’s vehicles without a scanner is beyond our comprehension. Agood scanner, such as the SCT Raptor
(phone# 407-774-2447) is an invaluable tool that can diagnose most problems AND data log critical engine sensor functions such as injector dwell,
vacuum leaks, spark, MAF signal, temperatures, etc. We use and recommend the highly accurate repeatable AFM1000 AFR System by Powertrain
Electronics Co. (Phone# 805-466-5252) or www.airfuelratio.net. It’s most important feature is the sensor can be calibrated for accuracy each time it is to
be used. It is based on ECM equipment, a major supplier of industrial sensors. Owner Dave Dardge has worked for Horiba and has spent many years
working with AFR technology. We have conducted side by side comparison tests between Horiba, ECM and PEC (Powertrain Electronics Co.). All are
near identical in accuracy and can be calibrated. It even measures AFR for alcohol fuels. If you’re interested, some of the dynos that use the PEC/ECM
System are:

HP by Hermann Ph#(813) 241-2783 (Tampa, Florida)
Johnny Lightning Performance Ph#(717) 786-4670 (New Providence, Pennsylvania)
Swanson Automotive Ph#(310) 787-7800 (Torrance, California)
Westech Ph#(951) 685-4767 (Alta Loma, California)
Innovative Tuning Performance Ph#(302) 312-1767 (Elkton, Maryland)
Modular Powerhouse Ph#(770)591-0000 (Marietta, Georgia)
Arch Angel Motorsports Ph#(918)396-4802 (Skiatook, Oklahoma)
Evolution Performance Ph#(610)485-3596 (Aston, Pennsylvania)
S.T. Motorsports Ph#(909)388-2536 (San Bernardino, California)
Brooks Speed Ph#(407)416-3816 (Tifton, Georgia)

THE SOLUTION
Here’s our position. We hope you all understand. Kenne Bell has done it’s part in educating our customers to the pitfalls of inaccurate AFR. No one else
has gone to these lengths to explain the problems. We do not sell any AFR equipment. Kenne Bell simply no longer wishes to be involved in disputes
between our customers and tuners and we will resist any attempts by either party to convince us to “re-tune” and possibly damage a customers vehicle
because of inaccurate AFR equipment. Our recommendation is to NOT RE-TUNE A KENNE BELL KIT. Leave it as is. If there’s a problem, call us. And
until further notice, the only AFR data we can accept is from PEC, ECM or Horiba . . . And possibly data from a brand new Dynojet sensor installed in a
welded bung (no tailpipe sniffer readings are acceptable at this time). Dynojet is making an effort to educate their dyno operators in the maintenance of
their equipment, particularly the tailpipe sniffers. In summary, our advise is that if you decide to dyno test your Kenne Bell equipped vehicle, think long
and hard about whether or not to allow changes to be made based solely on the AF data. Let’s don’t make someone else’s problem our problem i.e.
burned pistons, fuel washed engine or melted cats.
We have many more examples, but below are a couple customer problems that reflect what was discussed above.

Customer: "I dynoed by car, but the dyno said it was dangerously lean and couldn’t run another test. They might burn it down. The AF ratio was 13.5. I
called Ken at Kenne Bell and he insisted the AF was set at 11.1 and the dyno was wrong or I had other problems which he could not fix with a chip. At his
request, I tested my car at another dyno the same day. I was surprised. Now the AF was 12.1, but the car made the same HP. Now I’m suspicious of the
dyno AF devices. How can my car vary 1.5 AF ratios and not make a difference in HP. I asked Kenne Bell which one was right and they said neither. They
are both wrong. I scanned my car with an SCT Raptor. No vacuum leaks and everything else is O.K. There is no detonation, the car hauls ass and
driveability is superb. I wish I had taken your advice and never tested it on the dyno, but I wanted to know my HP. Now I’m confused and I’m still worried. I
asked both dynos to test again with a new sensor but they refused. Now I’m stuck. All I can do for peace of mind is to bring my car to a dyno with the ECM
you recommend. Please send me a list. I’m sorry I was such a pain in the %*!. Kenne Bell was right. I feel for your tech guys if you have to go through this
with all your customers. At least I didn’t allow them to richen your tune 1.5 ratios and screw my car up."

Customer: "I’ll make this brief. I tested my engine on an engine dyno which uses top of the line ECM AF ratio equipment. My engine was tuned with a
FAST Stand Alone so the tuning is fixed. I read 11.1. I re-tested the same engine and tune on a chassis dyno once I installed the set up in my car. It read
12.5.1. Can I test it on your dyno. I know you use ECM equipment.”

Dyno Shop: “I just compared my AFM1000 to the dyno sensor. I’ll never, never doubt you guys again. I had ben tuning customers cars 1-2 points rich.
This was a real wake up call.”

Ok back on topic:

Mike found a good write up with pics on the Fore Fuel rail install

http://stangsunited.com/showthread.php?1383-Fore-Fuel-Rail-Install-2011-GT500

Im sorry I dont trust people who dont actually have a unit and just quote pages of stuff that tuners quote to sell people on their tuning abilities. You really like to go out of your way to fucking make someone feel real small and stupid about stuff. about the only thing I got out of the last post was the fun light show, the reason why I didnt buy a unit yet. I really dont care anymore, its just a damn gauge.

Mike, I hope you got the info you need, not that you asked for it...

Shelby Carbon Fiber front Splitter $559

http://www.shelbystore.com/product-p/s4am00001-10.htm


True Fiber Carbon Fiber Front Splitter $499.00
(not sure if this is the same as the supersnake)

https://ssl.zoovy.com/stage3motorsports/c=ewkChSR1FKla1HE8xM9PXVX7f/s=stage3motorsports.com/product/TC10025-LG44KR/2010-11-Mustang-Trufiber-Carbon-Fiber-GT500-Chin-Spoiler---TC10025-LG44KR.html

Guest wrote:Im sorry I dont trust people who dont actually have a unit and just quote pages of stuff that tuners quote to sell people on their tuning abilities. You really like to go out of your way to fucking make someone feel real small and stupid about stuff. about the only thing I got out of the last post was the fun light show, the reason why I didnt buy a unit yet. I really dont care anymore, its just a damn gauge.

Mike, I hope you got the info you need, not that you asked for it...

Didnt mean for you to take it that way Chris. My apologies as I thought we were having a fun debate. Did not mean to demean you in any way...we are friends and that isnt what friends do.

Mike I know you already have a hood lined up and cheaper than this one, just thought this one was pretty cool

http://www.hillbankmotorsports.com/2010-shelby-gt500/exterior-and-body-kits-en/individual-body-parts-en/trucarbon-carbon-fiber-gt500-venom-hood-2010-2011-gt500.html

GT500 Carbon Fiber Engine cap set

http://www.hillbankmotorsports.com/2010-shelby-gt500/interior-and-accessories-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13/engine-dress-up-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8/shelby-gt500-engine-cap-set-mustang-2007-2011.html

I like that carbon fiber engine cap set in the black trim. Might be just what the Dr. ordered for mine!

Strike that. Just saw the price! Holy expensive bling bat man!!

07Shelby500 wrote:Strike that. Just saw the price! Holy expensive bling bat man!!

It's only money David you can't take it with you......

I can probably find better way to spend 500-600 bucks then on a set of engine caps! :) My hoods not open that much to justify that kind of coin.

Maybe down the road somewhere. Right now I'd rather save that back to go towards a TVS or similar mod.

That Tru Fiber hood is really nice, but it needs to be painted blue with white stripes to match that Shelby combination. It looks terrible leaving it alone like that.

Hey Mike, I know how you didnt want to put the Supersnake badging on your ride, but what about these "Wings" that just say Shelby and GT500?

https://www.shelbystore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=WINGS202

Red Bull gives you wings...

Shelby10' wrote:Hey Mike, I know how you didnt want to put the Supersnake badging on your ride, but what about these "Wings" that just say Shelby and GT500?

https://www.shelbystore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=WINGS202

That's a nice cheap little piece. Car should have came with it already on though. That gives the side badging more retro look of the original emblems.

Wow, mike, cant beloeved i missed this. Congrats! Cant wait to see it when it gets into tiwn!

Shelby10' wrote:Hey Mike, I know how you didnt want to put the Supersnake badging on your ride, but what about these "Wings" that just say Shelby and GT500?

https://www.shelbystore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=WINGS202

Those are pretty cool.

Hey MIke, hope this doesnt cause an issue with your 2012 Shelby Build

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/shelby-gt500-150/768891-2012-shelby-gt500-order-says-material-hold.html

Some peoples orders are coming back "no build"

Rumor is Japan is effecting paint production on certain colors. Or could be something else....wiring, brakes, etc

That's crazy

Guest wrote:Im sorry I dont trust people who dont actually have a unit and just quote pages of stuff that tuners quote to sell people on their tuning abilities. You really like to go out of your way to f***ing make someone feel real small and stupid about stuff. about the only thing I got out of the last post was the fun light show, the reason why I didnt buy a unit yet. I really dont care anymore, its just a damn gauge. <--agree

Mike, I hope you got the info you need, not that you asked for it...

I liked Chris.........that sucks...........he was nonjudgmental, honest, and friendly..............later Chris

oh and sorry for the late post, been in Chicago for a week (Step-sons Navy Graduation) not that its necessary to mention in this thread, just saying

Shelby10' wrote:Hey Mike, I know how you didnt want to put the Supersnake badging on your ride, but what about these "Wings" that just say Shelby and GT500?

https://www.shelbystore.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=WINGS202

Not bad looking a little pricey seeing you would have to have 3 sets....