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Traction Control
by nofearfactor 1/12/2012, 6:36 pm
Traction Control. My 98' didnt have a push button Trac Off switch like I do on my 01' GT Premium. I've only had the car a few weeks and really havent had the time to experiment much with the car being so busy making money and other stuff. Have read my cars manual, my big book, and read as much as I could about it from other sources including other Mustang and Ford forums, googled for info, etc. Alot of guys dont like it, alot of guys do.
I want to hear from you guys your opinions on using it, how you use it if you do use it, etc.
I am right in that when the Trac Off light is off that TC is engaged and then if I push the button in and the light goes on then TC is deactivated?
I got a Superchips tune and programmer when I bought the car but dont think the previous owner deactivated TC during his tunes because I remember him mentioning using TC.
Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanx.
I want to hear from you guys your opinions on using it, how you use it if you do use it, etc.
I am right in that when the Trac Off light is off that TC is engaged and then if I push the button in and the light goes on then TC is deactivated?
I got a Superchips tune and programmer when I bought the car but dont think the previous owner deactivated TC during his tunes because I remember him mentioning using TC.
Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanx.
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Re: Traction Control
by RaceRedFiveOh 1/12/2012, 6:58 pm
It starts out on, when you push the button and the light goes on traction control is deactivated.
Pretty much it just cuts power when it senses the rear wheels slipping under acceleration.
Pretty much it just cuts power when it senses the rear wheels slipping under acceleration.
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Re: Traction Control
by Cobruh 1/13/2012, 10:30 am
I only like it when the roads are cold or wet, any other time I turn it off.
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Re: Traction Control
by BASixxer 1/13/2012, 12:59 pm
It's good for burnouts.
Basically, take off real hard. The spinning tire light will come on and the car will bog.
Push the button. Take off hard and your tires will spin.
It's more of a safety factor than anything. Kills power if you hydroplane or slide.
Basically, take off real hard. The spinning tire light will come on and the car will bog.
Push the button. Take off hard and your tires will spin.
It's more of a safety factor than anything. Kills power if you hydroplane or slide.
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Re: Traction Control
by BMMC1 1/13/2012, 2:05 pm
BASixxer wrote:It's good for burnouts.
Basically, take off real hard. The spinning tire light will come on and the car will bog.
Push the button. Take off hard and your tires will spin.
It's more of a safety factor than anything. Kills power if you hydroplane or slide.
Wrong... 1) You didn't answer his question and 2) You're information is incorrect. again... Normally I don't care. But this could give someone a false sense of security and get them hurt or worst.
Daemon: If the light is on.. that means the TC is deactivated. If the light is on constantly, no matter if you press the button or not, chances are it was deactivated by the tune or it's malfunctioning. It doesn't sound like that is the case, so I'm betting the previous owner left it activated in the tune. the light will also flicker when activated to let you know it's been engaged.
There are basically three 3 safety items in the car control category. (TC, Stability Control and ABS) As incorrectly mentioned above, TC is not intended to save your butt in a hydroplane or slide. Stability control handles that (your car doesn't have that). TC only prevents your wheels from spinning. Basically there are speed sensors on each corner. The system works by sampling the speed of the front wheels if it sense the rear wheel(s) are spinning substantially faster, it will apply brakes to the spinning wheel(s) and in some cars also cut the gas.
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Re: Traction Control
by 07Shelby500 1/13/2012, 2:18 pm
Agreed. I only used the TC in my 06 when I was in rain or snow. The rest of the time it was the first thing I turned off when I started the car. The TC is turned off permanently in my tune in the Shelby since I never drive it in rain or snow.
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Re: Traction Control
by BASixxer 1/13/2012, 2:20 pm
I had it turned off in my tune until the first time I drove in the snow. 45 sec. later it was back on... but after 45 seconds of sitting in the snow the car didn't want to go anywhere....
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Re: Traction Control
by 07Shelby500 1/13/2012, 2:26 pm
Quite honestly, it wasn't as if having it on really helped my old car navigate snow. Mustangs aren't designed to be driven in snow. With or without TC.
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Re: Traction Control
by BASixxer 1/13/2012, 2:31 pm
true.
And Paul, I completely missed your post. I feel I did answer his question. Left alone, Traction Contol is on. Push the button and it turns it off.
I guess it's not really a safety feature, though. I was in a hurry to get to lunch and didn't proofread. Once you have lost control it won't help you get it back, but it can keep you from making it [much] worse...
And Paul, I completely missed your post. I feel I did answer his question. Left alone, Traction Contol is on. Push the button and it turns it off.
I guess it's not really a safety feature, though. I was in a hurry to get to lunch and didn't proofread. Once you have lost control it won't help you get it back, but it can keep you from making it [much] worse...
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Re: Traction Control
by BMMC1 1/13/2012, 2:47 pm
BASixxer wrote:Once you have lost control it won't help you get it back, but it can keep you from making it [much] worse...
No it won't... explain to me how? You're on the highway, you loose control, you are sliding towards a tree at 65mph sideways. How is TC going to help or make it from getting "much worst"?
Not trying to be a dick... but for the love of all things holy!
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Re: Traction Control
by BASixxer 1/13/2012, 3:00 pm
people panic and start mashing the gas, next thing you know you are spinning. It's common knowledge that the best thing to do if you lose it control is NOTHING. Traction control bogs the car when it notices the car is just spinning, therefore it can keep you from making things worse.
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Re: Traction Control
by 03.sonicblue 1/13/2012, 3:15 pm
I personally dont use it. Up until about 2010 MY the fords would cut fuel to reduce the power. On a boosted motor such as mine, less fuel and more air is bad. So I just keep it off for the piece of mind knowing that if if i looose traction, I don't risk damage to my motor. I'm not going to be driving it in inclement weather so I dont really worry about that either.
After MY 2010 they started going with timing reduction vs fuel and some of the higher end ones use brakes as well to control wheel spin. The 2010 GT500 also have knock sensors for another added piece of mind and ability to protect the motor ( I'm sure it does more than just add piece of mind)
The best traction control is the link between your brain and your right foot. If there isnt one, leave Traction Control on. :)
After MY 2010 they started going with timing reduction vs fuel and some of the higher end ones use brakes as well to control wheel spin. The 2010 GT500 also have knock sensors for another added piece of mind and ability to protect the motor ( I'm sure it does more than just add piece of mind)
The best traction control is the link between your brain and your right foot. If there isnt one, leave Traction Control on. :)
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Re: Traction Control
by BMMC1 1/13/2012, 3:16 pm
BASixxer wrote:people panic and start mashing the gas, next thing you know you are spinning. It's common knowledge that the best thing to do if you lose it control is NOTHING. Traction control bogs the car when it notices the car is just spinning, therefore it can keep you from making things worse.
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Re: Traction Control
by Shelby10' 1/13/2012, 3:35 pm
"The traction control system for the Mustang that combines brake and engine management to control wheelspin. When any of the four ABS/traction control sensors detect that a drive wheel is spinning at a rate higher than its counterpart, ignition spark is retarded and the fuel/air ratio is modulated to attenuate torque delivered to the slipping tire. If the condition persists, cylinder cut-off occurs, brakes are applied to the wheel with low friction, and power is transferred to the other drive wheel. The driver is informed of TCS events via an indicator light in the instrument cluster. TCS may not significantly improve traction when both wheels are on a slippery surface, but it optimizes the use of available traction. The benefit under this condition is improved vehicle steerability and stability provided by controlling excess wheel slip."
Traction control will not help you if you are sliding on ice, might help the spinning of the tire to slow its rotation, but if the car is already out of control....there is nothing that can be done.
So in lamans terms, TC will kill power then apply brake pressure to the tire that is overspinning in order to keep the car from "spinning out" by too much power/lack of traction to one or both tires.
Traction control will not help you if you are sliding on ice, might help the spinning of the tire to slow its rotation, but if the car is already out of control....there is nothing that can be done.
So in lamans terms, TC will kill power then apply brake pressure to the tire that is overspinning in order to keep the car from "spinning out" by too much power/lack of traction to one or both tires.
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Re: Traction Control
by 03.sonicblue 1/13/2012, 3:44 pm
I thought that was only on the the newer models. Didnt the 2000-04 system only reduce fuel and thats it?? I didnt think the implemented the brake control until 2008 with the GT500KR??
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Re: Traction Control
by BASixxer 1/13/2012, 3:50 pm
This is from the review of the 2001 Cobra...
Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/eventcoverage/2001_ford_svt_mustang_cobra/#ixzz1jMyz4elc
TRACTION CONTROL
An all-speed traction control system (TCS) is standard equipment on all the 2001 Ford SVT Mustang Cobras--a hybrid system that is designed to meet the performance needs of SVT Cobra drivers.
The system’s "Power Start" feature allows the driver to spin the drive wheels under acceleration, as long as the car tracks straight. If the system senses the vehicle slipping sideways, the traction control system will engage. The system also has a driver-selectable on/off switch.
With the TCS activated, when either of the two rear ABS/traction control sensors detects a wheel spinning at a rate higher than its counterpart, the engine management system retards ignition timing and modulates the fuel-air ratio to reduce power to that wheel. If the spinning continues, engine management cuts off one or more cylinders, and the ABS applies braking to the spinning wheel, transferring power to the other drive wheel.
The sophisticated system can detect the difference between wheelspin due to acceleration from cornering slippage, based on differences in slip rates at the wheels. The TCS engine management strategies work at all speeds, and the system can apply braking to either rear wheel at speeds up to 62 mph.
Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/eventcoverage/2001_ford_svt_mustang_cobra/#ixzz1jMyz4elc
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Re: Traction Control
by BMMC1 1/13/2012, 4:03 pm
BASixxer wrote:is there a picture posted with that quote?
Yep.
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Re: Traction Control
by 03.sonicblue 1/13/2012, 4:18 pm
BASixxer wrote:This is from the review of the 2001 Cobra...TRACTION CONTROL
An all-speed traction control system (TCS) is standard equipment on all the 2001 Ford SVT Mustang Cobras--a hybrid system that is designed to meet the performance needs of SVT Cobra drivers.
The system’s "Power Start" feature allows the driver to spin the drive wheels under acceleration, as long as the car tracks straight. If the system senses the vehicle slipping sideways, the traction control system will engage. The system also has a driver-selectable on/off switch.
With the TCS activated, when either of the two rear ABS/traction control sensors detects a wheel spinning at a rate higher than its counterpart, the engine management system retards ignition timing and modulates the fuel-air ratio to reduce power to that wheel. If the spinning continues, engine management cuts off one or more cylinders, and the ABS applies braking to the spinning wheel, transferring power to the other drive wheel.
The sophisticated system can detect the difference between wheelspin due to acceleration from cornering slippage, based on differences in slip rates at the wheels. The TCS engine management strategies work at all speeds, and the system can apply braking to either rear wheel at speeds up to 62 mph.
Read more: http://www.hotrod.com/eventcoverage/2001_ford_svt_mustang_cobra/#ixzz1jMyz4elc
So from what this says, the system will let the wheels spin as long as the car tracks straight, wonder why it kicks in at the drag strip when attempting a burnout and there is no sideways track. Seems that wheel spin is the over riding factor.
Either way I still prefer mine to be off. It seems to kick in at the most in opprotune times and sometimes hangs in too long.
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Re: Traction Control
by BASixxer 1/13/2012, 4:42 pm
yea I was curious about that. Mine kicks in anytime I break traction, so dunno.
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Re: Traction Control
by BMMC1 1/13/2012, 4:45 pm
BASixxer wrote:yea I was curious about that. Mine kicks in anytime I break traction, so dunno.
Has that ever happened?!
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Re: Traction Control
by nofearfactor 1/13/2012, 6:36 pm
Thanx for all of the excellant replys. Pretty much knew what to do with it just wanted to make sure that what I knew about it was right.
Saw the previous owner today and no he didnt program it out of the tune, so it works.
Thanx alot.
This is a cool forum with some cool people here.
Saw the previous owner today and no he didnt program it out of the tune, so it works.
Thanx alot.
This is a cool forum with some cool people here.
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Re: Traction Control
by yamanx 1/13/2012, 11:53 pm
Haha all I can say from reading all this is turn TC off and when in doubt throttle out hahah.
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