debate

so i've been in a debate with myself about doing heads, cams, and a shot of nitrous. i know i'll end up being able to use it all for my end goal anyway. i'm mainly thinking about this because i had to loan part of my sc'er savings to my parents and i'm doubtful that i'll get it back. i'm also not sure if i'll be able to save up enough to bring back what i had to give them. i really think i like this idea more as i'll be able to do what i really wanted to do in the end which is get the 2.8 mammoth and as of now there's no way i'll be able to get the money for that kit. i'm waiting on prices for everything right now. should have then by today (sat.) the heads are used stage 3 heads (actually equal to). the heads are off of justin burchams car. if for some reason you don't know who he is he has the drives the fastest 3V running in the 8's. the heads are off that car. they will come complete with springs, but no cams. he's pricing some custom ground cams for me with the considerations to what i've told him my goals were for the car.


the debate is try to save up for the sc'er anyway. if i do this i'll have to go with a 2.6L rather than my desired 2.8 mammoth due to budget constraints.

heads
spr cams (comp cams springs and phasers required)
nitrous
all needed gaskets & misc. items needed for install.

Ah, glad to see someone else in the same quandry that I am. I would like to SC but want a good solid foundation first. I have been considering the addition of a ford 3V aluminator short block and some worked heads. I think with some good heads and cams with the right tune an 11 sec car is what you would end up with. And around 400 HP at the tires. Thats nothing to shake a stick at. I say if you can get the heads at a great price then go for it. You have nothing to lose if you go FI later.

I say you've got a great plan there! Nitrous can be a blast if setup and dialed in correctly. Most of us on here know who Justin Burcham is with JPC. Ive been following his car since he was in the 12s hehe :)

Worked heads, custom ground cams, nitrous and other supporting mods would deffinetly put you into a solid 11 sec ride most definitely.

I myself was looking into the Zex Kit with window switch at one point....100 shot

here's what a guy from another forum i'm regularly at has done. this is his progression for his n/a build to date. you'll see that he first has a list of what he now has on and then has a list of what he has removed. then a list of what each thing added on made on the dyno (of course that wasn't all dyno'ed on the same day)

Comp stage II SPR cams, 127500
Livernois Stage II Heads
FRPP CAI,
Steeda Carbon Fiber inlet elbow,
Steeda race delete plates
Steeda UD pulleys
Kooks long tube catted x-pipe
Kooks Race Axle backs
FRPP 4.10 gears
spydershaft Aluminum DS
Spec Stage I clutch

Running at the track on stock 17s with 275 40 17 mickeys.


Parts I have had and took off
Comp Stage II NSR cams
Prothane Motor Mounts
FRPP xpipe
FRPP GTA axle backs
FRPP 91+re-cal

Dyno numbers with frpp power pack and xpipe.
296rwhp, 316rwtq dynojet

with underdrive pulleys
303rwhp 317rwtq dynojet

With custom brenspeed tune
310rwhp, 318rwtq dynojet

With comp stage II nsr cams
352rwhp 332rwtq dynojet

With Comp stage II SPR Cam's and Livernois Stage II heads
389/358

Thats pretty close to what I imagined a combo NA would make. You might eek out a little more HP with a well thought out build. So I think 400HP is doable.

ive always heard that cams dont do much for these cars. if these numbers are true, it proves what ive heard is wrong.

The cams come into play with the ported heads. Thats when you really see the power numbers go up. With the stock heads there is a little power but nothing like the combo with the re worked heads.

True...you will see a much better increase with worked heads when cams are installed. Cams by themselves still increase power...your just not tapping the potential

with cams and full bolt ons you should see close to 350-360. that's with nsr cams. nsr cams are just drop in cams. you don't need a tune for them even.