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Post by 07Shelby500 on 2/27/2011, 10:54 am

Ok, here we go. Let's all put our knowledge and or lack thereof to use and see if we can eithr prove or debunk the question of the gears. Specifically the rumor that ford racing gears are in some cases made by motive gear and that the latter will whine.

Let's compile information either for or against this idea. Part numbers for both the real FRPP gears and those sold by FRPP but made by motive.

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Post by BASixxer on 2/27/2011, 11:03 am

Come again? Lol
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Post by Oldokie on 2/27/2011, 11:18 am

I just want some no problems, no whine, trouble free 3:73's.
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Post by 07Shelby500 on 2/27/2011, 11:24 am

The argument has been for the longest time that the motive brand gears will whine even if set up properly. While the Ford Racing brand will not. The problem comes from ford racing using motive brand gears in some instances with a change in part numbers. This is what I want to either prove or disprove as well as list the part numbers for both for the 410 and 373 versions.

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Post by BASixxer on 2/27/2011, 11:42 am

Gotcha... whats it have to do with the 2011 mustang though?
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Post by 07Shelby500 on 2/27/2011, 11:45 am

Wasn't really a year specific topic just put it in the 1st thread up

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Post by Psycho Bob on 2/27/2011, 5:11 pm

i have frpp (non motive) 4.10's w/o any whine. i'd have to go dig out the box to get the part number. pretty sure it was an "A" gear. iirc the motive's had an "M" at the end of the part number

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Post by 07Shelby500 on 2/27/2011, 5:49 pm

That's what I thought I remembered from my old 06 but strange thing is the 373's I was looking at over on buyfordracing.com have an "N" at the end?

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Post by BASixxer on 2/27/2011, 7:52 pm

yea the general info I am getting is that the ones with an M are Motive...

M4209G410A - FRPP
M4209G410M - Motive rebadge

David, where are you even finding a part number on BFR?
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Post by Shelby10' on 2/27/2011, 8:39 pm

Better safe than sorry?

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Post by 07Shelby500 on 2/27/2011, 9:15 pm

amentowasso wrote:yea the general info I am getting is that the ones with an M are Motive...

M4209G410A - FRPP
M4209G410M - Motive rebadge

David, where are you even finding a part number on BFR?

Hmmm on second glance I must have been on another site. They do not list a part number on their site.

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Post by BASixxer on 2/27/2011, 9:26 pm

negative...
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Post by 07Shelby500 on 2/27/2011, 9:29 pm

Lee did you get my PM?

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Post by BASixxer on 2/27/2011, 9:51 pm

Yea, thought I responded, oops! PM sent
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Post by Shelby10' on 2/28/2011, 10:23 pm

Found some part numbers and some suspension mods for you to support the girdle if you decide on it.

http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9171


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Post by Shelby10' on 2/28/2011, 10:31 pm

Good read from 4 years ago....but it seems no one has the answer either hehe

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/4-6l-tech/73895-gear-warning-motive-vs-frpp-frpps-made-motive.html

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Post by Shelby10' on 2/28/2011, 10:49 pm

Preparing to install gears thread

http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7408


One common theme

"4.10s if you run a 28" tire. 3.73s if you don't." has to do with RPMs at the end of the track depending on the height of the tire.

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Post by 03.sonicblue on 3/1/2011, 11:04 am

07Shelby500 wrote:The argument has been for the longest time that the motive brand gears will whine even if set up properly. While the Ford Racing brand will not. The problem comes from ford racing using motive brand gears in some instances with a change in part numbers. This is what I want to either prove or disprove as well as list the part numbers for both for the 410 and 373 versions.

Most of us don't have stock exhaust. I'm thinking if the exhaust is loud enough you aren't going to hear the whine any way.

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Post by Shelby10' on 3/1/2011, 7:42 pm

03.sonicblue wrote:
07Shelby500 wrote:The argument has been for the longest time that the motive brand gears will whine even if set up properly. While the Ford Racing brand will not. The problem comes from ford racing using motive brand gears in some instances with a change in part numbers. This is what I want to either prove or disprove as well as list the part numbers for both for the 410 and 373 versions.

Most of us don't have stock exhaust. I'm thinking if the exhaust is loud enough you aren't going to hear the whine any way.

Trust me...you will still hear it.

Could hear mine whine a little in the 07 and I had some stout exhaust. Didnt bother me much as it was a very slight whine on deceleration...but it was there none the less

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Post by STLHRSE on 3/2/2011, 2:03 pm

I have 4.30's in mine, so I've learned to live with it. No matter what anybody says, no one can set up 4.30's that won't whine at least some. Other than that, I've always boght FRPP gears, and never had any whining issues. My 4.30's are Motive, mainly because I bought the gears that have been lightened.
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