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Post by 03.sonicblue 1/22/2010, 7:40 pm

The easiest way to solve this is whoever ponies up the money to rent out the track gets to determine the rules. You obviously can't please everyone. We just really need some of the faster mod cars to come out to play, but they are just as expensive to fix as well if something breaks.
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Post by ruger311 1/22/2010, 7:43 pm

Tjats my point exactly same with any fast rod car it costs money to build run repair why I'm saying why would a fast ass rod car want to come out beat on their car for noting that or get beat by a slow ass car?

Mod guys are hard to please bc they've already spent their cash on the car instaed of buying a cheaper car and modifying the hell outta need some more modified cobras and gt500s to come out

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Post by Guest 1/22/2010, 8:36 pm

I just like to race.... I forgot, if you were out of the competition, could you still do some test and tune type runs? I think the mods/rods last year was fine. I agree a high hp car whether it be mod or rod, it costs money to play! I think when you get eliminated, there should be like a side competition. Like a bracket style after being eliminated. Of course, make the shootout class be top dog with whatever prize, but still make the other ones that are out have fun. Plus it would give the audience a fun time with high hp cars killing it down the track together, and then watch a 11 sec car play catch up to a 14 sec car. IDK. My three cents.

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Post by 03.sonicblue 1/22/2010, 8:50 pm

Josh makes a good point, how hard would it be to have two races in one. All out top dog for big cash, and bracket style for less cash and both get trophies. That seems to have the most logic right there. Dial in for both and then brackets lead up to the top dogs for the main event. If we could get enough cashed raised could have a decent pot. How hard is that to organize and does it make any sense to have both??
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Post by Tims2002gt 1/22/2010, 8:54 pm

IMO, this still needs to be ran heads up. This is the whole idea of the Modular vs. Pushrod shootout. Who wins is determined by whichever side wins the most races.

More than likely the top half of the field will be rod dominated, but the bottom half of the field could be mod dominated. Approx half of the field at BvF are cars running 13 seconds or slower. Car count is the key to making this event better.

Something else that could be done after the shootout could be a club competition. Who has the most cars there, the fastest, the best looking, and so on.

One rule that should apply though. Anything running in the 8's should be in their own category. There is basically no chance of seeing an 8 second modular car show up to this event.

At the first MvR we had a 2 or 3 hour test n tune session after the event. If it is only us there, I don't see why that won't happen again. Would have happened last year but the diesels were out there too. I am not opposed to having some sort of consolation race for those who want to run a dial in race AFTER the shootout race.
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Post by ruger311 1/22/2010, 10:33 pm

Yes this should be like it was the first year. It was started as a shootout and should continue to be one

There is plenty of time for test n tune and call out races afterwards. Why I was saying there could be awards for fastest 60' as well as a car show??? Would make more of a day outta it. No reason that couldn't happen. Yes if you have some 8 second cars they shouldn't race kinda like how kit came out last year but didn't race etcetc

It should stay a shootout though just like first year who knows maybe another fast ass mod will show up claim the title

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Post by 1 fast 8 1/23/2010, 1:20 am

last year the mods won most of the first round races several of the rods didnt make it to line up. then they just stopped it
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Post by ruger311 1/23/2010, 1:22 am

Couple rods broke then mods won. The silver coupe woulda won. I can guarantee you another silver coupe will be fastest this year

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Post by Guest 1/23/2010, 5:37 am

The way I see it, NHRA has classes for a reason. To keep the competition close. If they didnt, it would be like a top fuel vs a stock car. Easy win for the top fuel. So with the way it sounds it is going to happen, I might as well go to Pinks all out.

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Post by 07Shelby500 1/23/2010, 10:15 am

IMO the lopsided field all comes from the amount of 10-11 second Rod cars VS. The lack of same in the mod field. What it boils down to is like mentioned before the rod guys payed off their rides a long time ago and have sunk that money into blowers and the like to make their cars fast. The mod cars are in a group that can be just as quick with same mods but the owners are still financially under the gun with their cars. Therefore the cars are mostly running naturally aspirated. Perhaps a good solution would be to design a class for cubic inches and power adder then cubic inches and N/A. This would pit cars together that should be more evenly matched. Example a built N/A 347 against my car which only has mild bolt ons and is also N/A should be a close race.

There are plenty of staging lanes to divide the classes. We can still run heads up. We can still run time trials. We can have prizes for each class and perhaps take the top qualifiers for both fields and do an exhibition race. I like the idea of a car show to increase participation.

So assuming we have 10 staging lanes and could run a easy 5 class field, what do you guys think the breakdown of the fields should be?

I was thinking as follows:

1. Stock cars mild bolt ons
2. CI of no more than 351 N/A
3. CI of no more than 351 Power adder
4. CI over 351 N/A
5. CI over 351 power adder

I was also thinking this year we could do true street style for some of the racers to even the field. Having a 50 mile cruise then race. Allowing only a tire change hoods to remain closed.
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Post by ruger311 1/23/2010, 12:34 pm

Wojt have enough cars to do all of the classes. If we did would only have a few mod cars in the blower comp and none in the 351 and higher class. A cruise I guess could be fun. Car show definitely

It is the truith that the mod car guys haven't spent the cash on their rides as far as performance vs the rods but when you think about it plenty of mods should be paid off with plenty of performance gains I.e. 96till let's say 05s. The newer guys just tought luck. But in retrospect the newer na cars will beat the piss outta a old na pushrod. And the 03/04 cobra and gt500s need to show up this year. Esp those twin turbo ones from okc

But as tim mentioned and as this race was intended to be played out as a shootou heads up fastest against the fastest just like ford vs buick. It might take a few years for the mod guys to catch up but we've all seen the potential of the mod cars now

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Post by Oldokie 1/23/2010, 12:46 pm

I'll show up, but if I don't do something to get some traction, my 13.2 isn't going to do much damage. I should have some improvements on the car by then tho.
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Post by ruger311 1/23/2010, 12:59 pm

slicks!!!

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Post by Oldokie 1/23/2010, 1:01 pm

Shattered clutch and dropped drive shaft!
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Post by ruger311 1/23/2010, 1:05 pm

meh, gotta pay to play i guess, if you got the gt500 you got the cash to build it up a lil

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Post by Oldokie 1/23/2010, 1:25 pm

I have suspension parts, exhaust, pulley and tune all in my garage. Another run at Hallet and I will have pretty much shredded my stock tires and will be ready to don some track Nittos. All that should help. I plan on getting PSE superchargers to put my pulley on and port my blower. That all might knock a second off of the car. ultimately, it still has me driving it.....
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Post by ruger311 1/23/2010, 2:16 pm

hell yeah should be fun

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Post by 07Shelby500 1/23/2010, 4:12 pm

Well I can tell you this guys. If there aren't classes and someone doesn't take charge to make the decisions this event will never get legs. Last year was a cluster "F".
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Post by carcrazy53 1/23/2010, 4:15 pm

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Post by Tims2002gt 1/23/2010, 4:19 pm

We need to set up some type of vote for the format. Post up the same poll on all the major local mustang forums and see what everyone wants to do.

I like your idea David about having some classes for this according to FI and NA, but Steve's right about needing a good car count to make that happen.

Maybe have a slick, drag radial, and a street radial class. Tires can be a great equalizer in drag racing.

On the bright side, its good to see everyone talking as much about this as they are. Maybe we'll get something set in stone well ahead of time this year!!!
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Post by ruger311 1/23/2010, 4:36 pm

I could go for a tire class that would be cool

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Post by 1 fast 8 1/24/2010, 1:15 am

DBLDARE wrote:Well I can tell you this guys. If there aren't classes and someone doesn't take charge to make the decisions this event will never get legs. Last year was a cluster "F".
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Post by ruger311 1/24/2010, 1:38 am

You better vote right not tire class is winning

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Post by Guest 1/24/2010, 1:48 am

I like the tires class as well.

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Post by 07Shelby500 1/31/2010, 11:26 am

I like anything that isn't last years mess
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Post by IAMTHEJUDGE 2/9/2010, 5:20 pm

The main reason it was a cluster was people not paying attention .

Ok I have the deal signed. Im going to go out on a limb one last time and try this . It does not matter much to me how everyone wants to do it . You will never make everyone happy . There are sevral way to try this will will look into . I will have the date posted in the next week !!!! We will also be teaming up with the Diesel truck shootout again so should be fun . Also looking into the car show idea and dyno shooutout !

I will be creating a e mail for mod vs rod for any suggestion so stay tuned ! should be another fun year !!
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Post by 07Shelby500 2/9/2010, 5:52 pm

Thanks again Eric. If we can help at all let us know. Paul and I spoke with you last year about helping out. If we can do anything to make it better this year I'm all ears.
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Post by fst06stg 2/9/2010, 6:03 pm

i think a car show deal would be a good idea. you might get some more people out that decide to race on the spur of the moment and you might also get more butts in the stands. sounds fun!
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Post by ruger311 2/9/2010, 6:37 pm

going to be a fun raceday again guys! thanks again Eric for pushing hard to get this race setup for us, lets push to make this thing big this year and do our best to fill the stands!

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Post by 03.sonicblue 2/9/2010, 6:39 pm

I had fun watching Steve beat Paul with a truck. I'd pay money just to see that.
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